Earlier today, Jelurida, the development company behind Nxt and Ardor, has announced new details about the upcoming ICO on their website.
The Jelurida team is now happy to announce that the legal, technical and organizational preparations for the IGNIS ICO are entering their final stage. The ICO will start near the end of July or early August 2017 (exact date and time to be disclosed at least two weeks in advance).
After inquiries into the start date of the ICO have been asked by the community on a daily basis, this should hopefully bring some clarity now on how the rest of Q3 will shape up to be like, even if no exact date has been given yet.
NXT in the ICO
As mentioned in our earlier newsletter, Jelurida mentioned that NXT will be used in the ICO and that this was due to technical reasons. Now, with the announcement, we can see why this was chosen.
The token sale itself will be conducted on the Nxt blockchain platform. A “controllable currency” called JLRDA will be issued and offered for sale in several consecutive rounds.
Being a controllable currency, the JLRDA tokens will not be tradeable or transferable between user accounts. The purchased JLRDA currency units will only serve as a proof of ownership and initial IGNIS balance for the Ardor Genesis Snapshot.
Purchasing JLRDA tokens will require NXT, however users will be able to exchange other cryptocurrencies to NXT conveniently within the Nxt wallet using the integrated ShapeShift and Changelly third party exchanges, subject to availability.
For 1 JLRDA token the participants in the ICO will receive 1 IGNIS coin at the time of the Ardor Genesis Snapshot.
So, the IGNIS ICO will utilize the Monetary System feature of the Nxt blockchain, where a controllable currency called JLRDA will represent the IGNIS to be distributed when Ardor launches. Purchasing a controllable currency on Nxt directly requires NXT as the transactions are on the Nxt blockchain itself.
Ardor Genesis Snapshot
The announcement also shed some light on the snapshot date for NXT balances where 0.5 IGNIS is given for every NXT an account holds.
As already promised, approximately half of the IGNIS coins will be reserved and distributed automatically to the NXT holders based on their account balances at the time of the Ardor Genesis Snapshot, at 1 NXT = 0.5 IGNIS ratio.
The Ardor Genesis Snapshot will be performed at least two weeks after the end of the last JLRDA sale round.
However, since the exact date of the start of the ICO and the duration of the ICO are still unknown, we can only estimate when the Ardor Genesis snapshot will happen.
There have been some complaints on some channels in the community about false information being spread around, such as that the launch was supposed to happen on July 1st, despite multiple announcements for over a year that Q3 was when Ardor would launch, not necessarily July 1st. Because of this confusion, Jelurida was prompted to also state this in their announcement:
All official information regarding the IGNIS ICO will be published on this website only. If you receive information from other sources always make sure that it is consistent with this page.
While Nxter Magazine strives to provide the most accurate information, if any conflicting information is found on this website with Jelurida, please trust the content posted on Jelurida’s website as they are the development team and may have made some changes and we just did not get to update our content yet.
It’s been some really quite interesting weeks lately in crypto land.
Scaling hasn’t been much of topic for the last years – and boom – now it’s front and center. Bitcoiners used to clobber anyone who thinks miners having different incentives than currency holders is a problem.
Now it’s suddenly consensus on r/bitcoin. Not only are there repeated threads saying a change of the Proof of Work algorithm might be necessary, I’m actually seeing more and more suggestions to switch to Proof of Stake! I can’t believe my eyes! Just the mere mention of it even half a year ago would have brought you into downvote hell and 500 angry “nothing at stake” chants, before your post got shadow banned. I’m not saying that it’s a majority position by any means, but what a difference!
Crypto alts’ cap goes ^
The changing tides are sweeping a lot of money into the alts. The combined crypto cap is exploding:
While Bitcoin’s share of it is decreasing. The pace is accelerating towards parity. That could be a huge deal with unclear implications (…but don’t dare mention this on r/Bitcoin).
How Ardor fits into the mix
There is a major sea change going on, and props to the Jelurida dev team to see this long ahead: Designing Ardor specifically around scaling capabilities, puts it in a position to take advantage of the situation. Now there is just the question if this can somehow get attention. So far it is always Ethereum that gets used as example for Proof of Stake. Once again, it took the spotlight. It also gobbled up the biggest gains. Ardor seemed to have merely been swept up with the tidal wave that took all alts along.
I don’t know if all that will change to the best of Ardor and NXT. But I’m sure: This ain’t over. And people are still either in denial or stuck in old ways of thinking.
The Bitcoin wars will get worse.
First off, there is AsicBoost, which is worth millions in advantage for parasitic miners. Why would they give that up for anything? Higher market cap doesn’t help their bottom line, they live of higher margins. A fork of some sort either will happen or must at least come close enough that these miners must fear trashing their hardware.
Disruption will be huge either way. The user experience will be a disaster. Alts will pick up refugees… but if Bitcoin suffers too much, all crypto will take a hit.
The miner problem is, of course, deeper anyways. It’s an incentive problem that will return. Miners, they only care about users and hodlers if it somehow helps their short-term earnings.
What also clearly came to light is that the monopoly is even worse than anyone thought: It’s the hardware! That’s all done by basically one manufacturer in one location – with the ability to legally block supply for anyone who doesn’t agree with their plans. Bitmain is abusing this already. That skews not just which miners can join, but also how much existing ones dare to contribute to debates.
People still don’t understand the scaling issue. It seems bizarre to me that Ethereum/Monero/Dash are seen as solutions. All these have exponentially worse situations should they ever catch on remotely as much as Bitcoin.
It’s just that neither Ether or Litecoin are used enough to make clear to everyone that they have the exact problem Bitcoin has – or worse.
So there is Ardor, with an actual solution. My fear is that people might once again overlook it, just like NXT was laughed at when it pioneered what is now the altcoin standard. Maybe it’s premature optimization. But it might be the right unique selling point at just the right time.
One joker card could be the Lightning network or the “sharding” that Buterin promises. Basically, they could change the landscape of the scaling discussion – and make it a non-issue. But it’s just promises so far. Maybe someone more knowledgeable can shed some light one that angle.
Anyways, the potential in the upcoming year is huge – and that’s what speculators are trading on.
Early this morning, Jean-Luc, lead core developer of Nxt and Ardor, made an announcement on Nxtforum.org about the launch of the Ardor testnet. While some testing was already done by some members of the Nxt community who were very knowledgeable about the platform, as we mentioned in our previous newsletter, much more testing is needed to be done before the launch of mainnet in the third quarter of this year, thus the release of testnet. Also, this is a great way to experience the Ardor blockchain without risking any funds as the tokens are given away freely to people who want to try it.
At the moment, only .zip and .exe files have been released, so Mac users will have to wait a bit. Riker, core developer of Nxt and Ardor, mentioned that a client for Mac will likely be released in version 2.0.1e. However, users of Linux operating systems as well as Windows (32 and 64 bit) can get started now. Installation is very similar to that of the Nxt client, with the notable exception of some Ardor graphics.
Some activity has already been going on in just a few hours after launch. On the testnet Ignis child chain, a poll was started asking users about their favorite animal among the animals mentioned. You can take a look at this by choosing the Ignis child chain on the testnet client, clicking on “Voting System” and then “Active Polls”. Remember, while all transactions are processed by the main chain which takes ARDR, when you’re on a child chain all processing is paid for in the child chain token. So, Ignis tokens are required in order to cast your vote.
This is just one of the few things currently being tested at the moment. Get the testnet client and to find out how to request test tokens on ardorplatform.org today and experience this new blockchain platform. If you find any bugs, please report them over at Nxtforum on the announcement thread or through one of the channels listed on the website.
Jean-Luc, Nxt and Ardor core developer, has published a chart on nxtforum.org that compares the major differences in the functionalities between Nxt and Ardor:
One parent chain with multiple child chains
The same token (NXT) is used for establishing the consensus and providing the security of the blockchain, as well as for the basic unit of value in all transactions
Only the parent chain token (ARDR) is used in the proof-of-stake consensus, and thus provides security for all child chains. Child chain tokens are used as transactional units of value only.
Transaction fees are paid in NXT only, requiring users to always have NXT in their accounts.
On each chain transaction fees are paid in the native token (coin) of that chain. End users do not need to own ARDR tokens.
Asset Exchange, Monetary System, Aliases, Messaging, Digital Goods Store, Voting System, Shuffling, Data Cloud, Phasing, Account Control, Account Properties
All these features are preserved in Ardor, and are available on each child chain. A child chain can optionally be restricted not to enable some features. The parent chain supports a limited subset of features, as it is intended to be used for consensus establishing only and not for everyday transactions.
Each passphrase maps to a single account. Passphrases can’t be changed, and there is no wallet file to store.
The same mapping of passphrases to account numbers is used as in Nxt. Accounts are global across all child chains, and an account can have balances in each of the existing child chain coins, as well as in ARDR.
There is a single coin (NXT), and unlimited user-issued Assets and Monetary System currencies.
Each chain has its own coin. Assets and MS currencies can be issued on any child chain, and are available for trading globally. Assets or MS currencies can optionally be restricted* to some child chains only.
Assets and MS currencies can be traded for NXT only.
Assets and MS currencies can be traded on any child chain, with price denominated in the corresponding child chain coin.
A new feature, Coin Exchange, allows trading of child chain coins to each other, and also to the parent chain coin (ARDR).
Asset dividends can be paid in NXT only.
Asset dividends can be paid in any of the child chain coins, by simply issuing the payment transaction on the corresponding chain. Additionally, paying dividends in another Asset or in MS currency has been implemented.
Crowdfunding feature is available in the Monetary System, but the funds must be collected in NXT only.
Crowdfunding feature is available on all child chains, and on each child chain the funds are collected in the corresponding child chain coin.
Shuffling of NXT, Assets, and MS currencies is available.
On each child chain, shuffling of the corresponding coin, or any Asset or MS Currency, is supported.
Alias names are globally unique.
Alias names are unique within each child chain only.
Currency codes and names are globally unique.
Currency codes and names are unique within a child chain only.
Pruning is available for plain and encrypted messages, and for tagged data (data cloud feature). Pruned data are retrieved automatically on demand from designated archival nodes.
Pruning and retrieving of all prunable data is available as in Nxt. In addition, the child chain transactions themselves are designed to be prunable and will not need to be stored permanently or re-downloaded by every new node. The actual pruning of transactions will be implemented later.*
Transaction IDs are 64-bit longs, and are globally unique.
The 64-bit transaction IDs are no longer guaranteed to be globally unique for child chains. 256-bit transaction hashes (sha256 digests) are used instead as transaction identifiers.
A “forging” process is used to create new blocks, with the probability of block creation dependent on the account NXT balance (stake).
The same forging algorithm is used as in Nxt, dependent on ARDR account balances only.
A new process, “bundling”, is used to group child chain transactions into a parent chain transaction (“child chain block”), which is then included in the parent chain. Any account can play the role of a bundler. The bundling process also performs the exchange of fees paid by users in child chain tokens into ARDR fees accepted by the block forgers.
Transaction execution can be made conditional, subject to approval using various voting models.
Same voting models as in Nxt, but phasing is possible on child chains only. Approval transactions can be on a different child chain from the phased transaction, and the by-transaction voting model also supports linking to a transaction hash on a different child chain.
Accounts can be restricted to use phasing only (mandatory approval).
Same as in Nxt, but accounts under phasing-only restriction cannot submit transactions on the parent chain, as those cannot be phased.
HTTP based, also with WebSocket support, transmitting JSON formatted data between peers.
Completely re-written and optimized, using native Java sockets and binary messages between peers. Block and transaction propagation has been significantly improved, by exchanging and caching information about currently available blocks and transactions between peers and only propagating the missing data pieces.
Mostly unchanged, except:
1. A “chain” parameter has been added to each API that is child chain specific.
2. 64-bit long transaction IDs have been replaced with 256-bit hashes.
3. All prices and rates that were previously defined relative to the smallest indivisible holding amount (“QNT”) are now defined relative to a unit of the holding (share).
Transactions are stored in the blockchain permanently, and need to be re-downloaded and re-processed by every new node, which after months and years of operation becomes a significant bottleneck.
All child chain transactions will be possible to prune completely, without affecting blockchain security, thus allowing the blockchain size to be kept much smaller. A new node joining the network only needs to download the parent chain transactions, followed by the latest snapshot of the current system state.*
* Functionallity marked with asterisk is planned to be implemented in a future Ardor release. All other functionallity is already implemented and currently being tested on a testnet blockchain.
The Ardor snapshot phase is over and the Ardor assets (ARDR) have been distributed. The amount of NXT in an account no longer influences the number of real ARDR forging tokens it will receive once the Ardor network goes live. Watching the price of NXT fall these last few months should give a good hint to everyone – there is no longer any reason to hold NXT. Ardor and its child chains are the future. Make way!
Really? I don’t think so.
Going on the Nxt road in 2017?
1. Ardor won’t be there until the third quarter of 2017
The recent “Ardor” distribution is only an asset that will determine how much real ARDR tokens you will get once the Ardor platform goes live. It is not the real thing and won’t be soon.
The Ardor testnet is expected to go live in the first quarter of 2017, but the production network completion is planned for later in 2017. Why not use Nxt until then? It is still secure, fully functional, and also supports many assets and coins which are trading on multiple external exchanges.
2. Nxt will still be maintained
The core development team has promised to support Nxt for at least one year after the release of Ardor. We are talking about software that will be actively maintained until at least the end of 2018. And after that, motivated developers may still adopt the project and maintain it.
Even if new features probably won’t be added, the software is still functional and has proven itself trustworthy during these last three years. Some assets and coins will move to the Ardor platform but others will still use the Nxt 1.0 platform.
Many altcoins are not developed anymore or do not have major updates but are still trading actively.
3. Ignis snapshot will benefit Nxt
In Q3 2017, the snapshot for the Ignis distribution, the first Ardor child chain, will most likely attract a lot of speculators. Ardor is the fuel of the network but Ignis is the first currency with all the features we love in Nxt : voting, coin shuffle, aliases,…
This second snapshot will be a good occasion for people to learn about Nxt and attract newcomers.
Trying to guess the future value of cryptocoins
However the fall of the NXT price may be faster than the rise. After the snapshot, it will most likely drop again. How much is the question.
4. Jelurida is watching
Jelurida exists to protect the intellectual property of the Nxt code. To commercially succeed, it needs Nxt to succeed. Having a team working full time to improve and protect Nxt would make sense for its future.
During the Q&A session about the creation of Jelurida, the following question was raised:
> @josenxt > Will we see in 6 months from today another big surprise (like Jelurida’s) which is currently being cooked behind the scenes?
> @jean-luc > hopefully sooner
Let’s hope it will benefit Nxt.
5. Existing applications are still functional
The Nxt API is very stable and easy to use. Many developers have built their own applications based on Nxt (MyNxt, SuperNET, nxtportal, Nxter.org, Nxt3D…). Even if the Ardor API ends up being very close to Nxt’s (which is not sure), it will require some work before such applications can be ported to Ardor (if ported at all). But, they will work on the Nxt 1.0 platform no matter what.
Nxt has a rich ecosystem and it will take some time for Ardor to catch up with it, even after the release.
6. Cheap NXT means cheap transaction fees
Nxt has always used transaction fees of 1 NXT for most operations. In June 2016, when 1 NXT was worth 13000 Satoshi, a transaction fee cost around 8 euro cents per transactions (still cheaper than Bitcoin by the way). Now, at almost 1000 Satoshi, these fees are only worth 0.6 cents. It’s basically free.
Those who consider NXT to be a currency will be disappointed. Those who see Nxt as a platform of asset exchanges, discussions, or distributed hosting will be glad.
A coin shuffle costs 12 NXT, or 0.07€. Isn’t it a good time to anonymise some coins or assets? How about starting that asset you were thinking about? Issuing an asset only cost 1000 NXT or around 6€ today.
Today, on October 13th, at block height 1000000, or 42 days before the Nxt blockchain’s 3rd birthday, the Nxt 1.0 -> Nxt 2.0 snapshot period came to an end, and 998.999.495 ARDR assets were automatically distributed to all accounts which had held any amount of NXT since the first snapshot was taken 3 months ago.
For every 1 NXT which has stayed in your account since the first snapshot, you’ve received 1 ARDR asset. If you’ve been a NXT hodler for half the period, you’ve received 0,5 ARDR per NXT. (For information about the distribution model read this)
ARDR assets have been distributed to all NXT-holding accounts on participating centralised exchanges and now need to be distributed among the exchanges’ customers.
The Nxt team writes:
The distribution method used will depend on each respective exchange’s internal architecture, so the Nxt team and community can’t provide a universal solution for Ardor distribution within exchanges.
Poloniex, Bittrex, HitBTC, BTC38, etc., must be contacted directly by their customers for more information about their distribution method, if you haven’t yet received your ARDR.
HitBTC was the first centralised exchange to open a BTC < > ARDR market, but more exchanges are expected to follow soon. As most NXT-exchanges have active Nxt asset markets going too, it will be very easy for them to add ARDR.
Next snapshot – IGNIS
One snapshot remains – if you want to get full value for your NXT.
Ignis will be the first child chain, which is guaranteed to get launched on the Ardor platform. In Nxt 2.0, Ardor is the token used for creating consensus and Ignis will be the first transactional token. It will be created at the Ardor Genesis block. Free Ignis tokens will be distributed with a ratio of at least 1:0.5 to all NXT-holders at Genesis. A last snapshot of the Nxt blockchain will be taken just before that, so Ignis can launch together with Ardor.
Ignis will inherit all the current Nxt core features, but will be have others added and be further developed by the Nxt development team. The snapshot will be taken in Q3 2017.
And the unparalleled Nxt platform?
Nxt will continue, and be supported, by the Nxt core devs.
As the Nxt core developers wrote, in a Q&A session a few days ago:
riker NXT promoted Jelurida and Jelurida will promote NXT.
jean-luc There will be small businesses and end users who don’t need, or can’t afford, a private blockchain. Those will continue using Nxt, or start a child chain on Ardor.
riker We can use the funds we receive from private chains to promote the development of the public chain which will in turn provide marketing and public relation for NXT/Ardor and bring us more private chain business.
ipsec [9:08 PM] Now its very risky to invest NXT and ADROR…..because after 13 price of NXT will down
jean-luc [9:09 PM] Everybody expecting a dump after 13th… then everybody would sell before 13th my guess is, the dump has already happened, but then I am not a trader. If you dump, what else would you buy that has better “incentive structure”?
And that’s the case. If Nxt is not the platform to start coding your new Ardor Nxt 2.0 projects on, then which?
With the Nxt Foundation marketing it, with an educational book about Nxt 1.0 coming out soon, with businesses rushing in to get into the best blockchain tech before the technology itself disrupts them…. will it be wise to sell NXT?
We have projects using the public Nxt blockchain which will need to be supported for at least the next 2 years and probably longer. We’re also in the process of bringing in more core devs for Nxt as well as for Ardor, with the aim of establishing 2 semi-independent core dev teams.
There has been lot of public FUD and confusion about all of this, so I hope this clears up any questions or doubts that you may have about the future plans for Nxt and Ardor.
DeBuNe is currently looking for extra developers to join their distributed team. m19: “We are creating our own custom version of NXT/Ardor and some of the changes you make might even end up in the core, we are in no way competing with them but instead actively supporting it.
LQD asset CEO libertynow [2:37 AM]: “If NXT goes below the Oct 4 bottom at 1667 I’ll start getting worried. well, not really. i don’t care that much. I can just use the NXT for divs if I really need to”.
On October 07, 2016, Damelon announced the incorporation of Jelurida BV, a new startup software development company consisting of Nxt core developers Jean-Luc, Riker and Nxt Foundation member, Damelon.
Jelurida BV, as holder of the intellectual property rights for the Nxt software and the Ardor platform, aims to create a sustainable and thriving business around the Nxt ecosystem by providing software licenses, maintenance, and services to a new breed of blockchain-based applications.
The ninja announcement of a “Nxt company”, and the fact that the lead developers of Nxt and Ardor were going to monetise their services and IP naturally sparked discussions in the Nxtchat Slack channel. Damelon posted a few answers, but asked the Nxt community to save their further questions for a Q&A session with the core developers, which was to be kicked off Sunday.
martis [2:09 PM]
so Nxt became a company?
Damelon answered (before the Q&A):
damelon [2:10 PM]
No, the devs are in a company now (including me, who is also on it). I am managing director. It’s a Holding with two separate BVs contained in it. There is a BV that holds the IP and a BV that is “active” and signs.
The main purpose is to ensure that the code is protected, and secondly licensing to generate a cash flow. The direct benefit is continuity and more possibilities to actually partner with companies. That benefits the community and holders. Even if licenses are sold for private chains, this means the devs are funded which means they can continue to work on the code without having to hold down other jobs. It also allows us to grow the developer pool with quality people which also benefits the code and users.
The way we want to create value for holders is by ensuring we deliver value in the form of the software and in attracting customers and users to the platform. It’s another step in professionalizing and it’s also a big step towards making sure Nxt and Ardor will be sustained into the future. The Nxt code is and still will be under GPL, so public chain use is not affected.
Also, this is about the IP mostly. The devs do not want to let the copyright out of their hands. Handing it over to the Foundation would leave them at the mercy of other people. Having it consolidated in their own company allows them to keep control in situations where it’s needed, like when licensing is involved.
The Q&A session took place in nxtchat.slack on October 09, 2016, 20:00-21:46.
This is a summary of the event. All questions about expected ups and downs in price and “how to use Ardor” have been removed from the summary. For a general FAQ about Ardor, the Ardor token ARDR, and Ignis distribution you can visit the FAQ thread on Reddit.
Now let’s get to it.
riker [8:05 PM]
Ready for Q&A guys ?
legs11 [8:06 PM]
damelon [8:06 PM]
@channel The devs are here, so please shoot your questions.
development is on track, but it takes time. schedule is unchanged for now. nothing has changed really in the project direction, or our plan for ardor.
We feel good about the project direction and we do enjoy our work.
it is a challenge to keep the code simple. the code is based on Nxt, intentionally so that to minimize bugs, but I have started some refactoring which makes further merges from the 1.0 codebase harder.
Jelurida plans to make money from licensing, support, and consulting
Any chance of us buy into this company at this early stage ?
it is a private company, the general public can’t buy into it
Who owns how much percent of the company?
This information is confidential.
Can you describe what a paying customer would get?
License to change the NXT core code for their purpose. License to use a private blockchain. Maintenance, support and consulting.
Many organizations will never use a public blockchain because of regulatory issue or confidentiality. We would like to get into the private blockchain niche
Doesn’t ComeFromBeyond, for example, have anything to say about this?
CfB has written code under the MIT license only. The developers who have contributed code under the GPL have transferred their copyright to Jelurida.
as we speak, banks and financial companies are cloning Nxt and using it privately.
By getting them to pay for it, we plan to make future Nxt development self sustainable
Which IP rights are Jelurida going to “protect”?
People are currently copying NXT left and right, even if they want to pay for NXT they didn’t have whom to pay. If they don’t pay, we can now go after them. That what it means to protect our rights.
In the absence of a single legal entity which owns the copyright, it is hard to enforce the GPL, we have seen examples of it being violated by companies who know there is no one to sue them
conversely, if a company does want a commercial license, and is willing to pay for it, it is hard to do legally without a single legal entity that has the copyright, as the case was until now.
Jelurida for investors
So you wanna get into private blockchain niche. Can you tell us why this is good for investors in the tokens ARDR, NXT and IGNIS?
We can use the funds we receive from private chains to promote the development of the public chain which will in turn provide marketing and public relation for NXT/Ardor and bring us more private chain business. We hope to obtain such eco-system which provide win-win situation both for the public token investors and private blockchain customers
it doesnt seem fair for the token holders honestly, lets say you are now investing 60% of DEV in private chains and earn decent revenue, how are devs still motivated to work on NXT/ardor + it will only slow down progress
I think we have to realize that the current model of using community funds/donations to promote NXT does not work. This new model has much better chance.
Again we hope to generate positive feedback in which private blockchain profits are used to promote the public blockchain which in turn supports the private blockchain
Current system is not sustainable, dev need to earn money.
But i’m afraid the incentive to work on the public chain will be too low. Imagine you are successful and you have a lot of contracts to build private blockchains. Since you get paid for it you have to focus all your ressources on those contracts. What happen to the public blockchain in that time? it will be put aside. Basically there is a conflict of interest between successful public blockchain and successful private business. What do you think?
We won’t be able to sell private blockchains unless we have a successful public chain. We all realize this. NXT promoted Jelurida and Jelurida will promote NXT. The challenge is to create a win/win situation and we need your support for this.
I think better public relations would go a long way to bringing in customers as well as new devs. Is any more activity in this department planned for the near-term?
Yes, not sure we can share concrete plans at the moment. We’ll start with a website and all the marketing materials expected from a startup company
Will you inform the community about new deals etc?
As a private company we probably won’t share everything publicly. We may issue press releases on signed deals etc
If I am a company in need of a private chain. Why use NXT/Ardor/etc… over a different crypto?
(1) POS is much better suited for private chain then POW
(2) You can develop in Java and not in some weird scripting lang (i.e. ETH)
Why not Lisk then if Java and POS?
We have 2 years advantage and we have a more experienced dev team
I would rather deal with real people with real names. Just sayin’
Jelurida has public directors listed in the Dutch trade registry. The identity of the actual developers has no significance the same way you don’t know who are Java developers but you trust Oracle to support Java.
Don’t you know Bas? Didn’t you watch my latest presentation?
Will the private blockchains be made with nxt now and later with ardor blockchain or always nxt?
For now private chains will be based on NXT of course. We will probably transition to Ardor when it’s stable enough
depends on demand, but Nxt 1.0 is tried and tested technology, and Ardor is an overkill to use as a private chain for a single company. Most of the Jelurida private blockchain customers would not need the complexity of Ardor, with its multiple child chains.
Now that you have settled down a company, are you thinking about recruiting more developers in the near future?
yes, but it is a chicken and egg problem… hard to recruit developers until we have at least few paying customers
if we get serious demand for private chains, we would also get licensing fees and income that allows us to hire more developers
How is Jelurida going to encourage new devs to join the development team when they know for sure that their work won’t be credited? Just for the money Jelurida will pay them? Will all the new devs be writing code for Jelurida and not for the Nxt community from now on?
Jelurida intends to either pay salaries or give shares to compensate developers (perhaps both). Some of the code may be developed as closed source code and some will be shared with the community.
In the future there will millions of blockchains some public some private we want as many as possible to be based on NXT.
new developers after short training would be dedicated to support and feature development for private chains first, so that the more experienced core devs can focus on Ardor
Jelurida and the Nxt community
how is Jelurida going to support the community if it is a private company?
I can see the Promotion effect of public chains for private chains.. but i dont see it for the other direction. Why should Ardor get more value if a Company will use the tech behind it? That makes no sense to me.
I hope that Jelurida and the NXT foundation will share the profits
How do you encourage the community to continue to work as a volunteer knowing that their developers and the leader of the foundation may be working for private solutions?
Would you like the devs to work for free or almost for free forever? Jelurida will work together with the community to advance NXT/Ardor and make it into a sustainable business
What is the role of the community in this new situation? Can happen that People now leave that were good contributors. How to prevent it.
Jelurida will open up doors for NXT activists to get real paying jobs in dev, consulting, support, training
Would you like the rest of the Nxt community to work for free or almost for free forever AND FROM NOW ON to make bigger a private company like Jelurida? :point_left: It could be seen this way
If Jelurida is successful there will plenty of funds to pay everyone.
Will we see in 6 months from today another big surprise (like Jelurida’s) which is currently being cooked behind the scenes?
@riker when is the nxt mobile app release planned?
It’s ready for initial testing but we want to get Jelurida and the Ardor token distribution first
riker [9:43 PM]
Enough for today ?
farl4bit [9:46 PM]
@riker @jean-luc Thanks very much! I am looking forward to more of these sessions.
Details about the Nxt 2.0 token distribution have been announced.
Those who have been following Nxt 1.0 know that the launch of Nxt 2.0 (Ardor) will be a big and important step forwards, not just for Nxt but for blockchain technology in general. With the amazing and broad set of truly disruptive, stable features already running on the Nxt 1.0 blockchain, the next leap forward will be the solving of the blockchain bloat problem inherent to all existing blockchains.
This can make Ardor the first globally scalable crypto platform, and in addition to this, Ardor will enable any individual, business and community to launch their own fully secured customised private ledgers. In short, a Nxt 2.0 Main Chain token (ARDR) will ‘forge’ (~ stake/~mine) all the childchain transactions and thereby secure them. The first and default Nxt 2.0 childchain (Ignis) to be launched with the genesis block will be a ledger which integrates all the functionality of Nxt 1.0.
Ardor’s prime innovation is to split the blockchain into a main chain that is used for consensus creation only, and multiple child chains that keep separate ledgers of transactions, each child chain using its own coin/token.
Nxt 1.9 is going to be the last major release on the Nxt 1.0 branch.
Nxt 2.0 is not a fork of Nxt 1.0. NXT tokens will continue to exist.
Existing 1.0 users will be able to log in to Nxt 2.0 with their existing passphrases.
The Nxt core development team is committed to providing support for Nxt 1.x for at least one year after the Nxt 2.0 launch. Additional GUI functionality may or may not be added to the NRS Client.
The distribution of Nxt 2.0 tokens
The Core Developers recognise the tremendous contributions of the investors and holders of the original Nxt 1.0, without whom Nxt 2.0 would not be possible, and have decided to grant them exclusive rights to the new 2.0 tokens.
ALL Nxt 2.0 Main Chain tokens (ARDR) will be distributed among the holders of Nxt 1.0 tokens.
Nxt 1.9 will be announced shortly with a hard fork for the ARDR distribution without API changes.
The only way to get ARDR is by holding NXT in your account during the snapshot phase (which starts when Nxt 1.9 is released and will run for about 3 months).
The Nxt Software will start taking periodic snapshots of all users’ NXT balances, at regular intervals (most likely once an hour), for a period of three months.
The NXT balances in each account will be averaged over this full three month period, and at the end all accounts will be automatically credited with a token representing their ARDR holdings, issued as an Asset on the Nxt asset exchange.
This ARDR Asset will be freely tradeable.
The distribution of the real ARDR coins will be based on the ownership of ARDR Assets taken at the point of time when the 2.0 Genesis block is created.
There will be no burning of Nxt 1.0 needed in order to receive either ARDR or [Ignis] Tokens.
ARDR tokens will be used for forging (i.e. staking / mining) to maintain and secure the full Ardor network and incentivize people to set up nodes. Users of any Ardor childchain will have to pay bundled transaction-fees to ARDR forgers.
Holding the ARDR token provides the ability to bundle many child chain transactions into a ChildChainBlock transaction on the main chain (i.e. become a bundler) and forge transactions on the main chain.
As stated above, Nxt 1.x will continue to run; you will get to keep all your current NXT tokens.
The Nxt 1.x equivalent chain which will launch with the Ardor genesis, is a new Nxt ledger. Its transactional token has been dubbed Ignis. The Ignis token will be the only transactional token on the Ardor network when it launches, and until new child chains can be spawned.
Ignis tokens will be distributed ~ 50/50 to NXT holders/Nxt core development team.
The ~ 50% Ignis which are to be distributed to the core development team will be theirs to use for funding the continued development of the Nxt 2.0 platform.
[Ignis] will be created in the Genesis block of Nxt 2.0. At the moment NXT holders will get 50% [Ignis] of their NXT balance. The other 50% will be reserved for the devs, for instance to do an ICO with, or something else. As this is still one year in the future, the exact method of this is still being debated.
This means, that in addition to the Main Chain tokens (ARDR), NXT 1.0 holders will be accredited a number of Ignis (Nxt 2.0 transactional tokens) equal to ~ 50% of the NXT they hold in their account when Ardor launched in Q3 2017.
As a warning to traders, Riker states that: “If you keep your NXT on a centralised exchange you’ll need to check with the exchange how they handle the ARDR/Ignis distribution since it will be distributed to the exchange account. The exchange will get the ARDR / Ignis tokens and will decide what to do with it”.
Our best advice would be for you to keep your NXT in your own Nxt account with your own passphrase.
Nxt Developers – feel safe to code with Nxt
Nxt has had issues with breaking backwards compatibility when preparing for the switch to Nxt 2.0 / Ardor.
Nxt 1.10.x API will NOT be changed, so developers working with the Nxt 1.10.x API can feel safe that their code will keep working on the 1.0 branch and that they can easily port their new or existing Nxt projects to the new Nxt 2.0 ledger, if they want to do so after it has been launched. The Nxt core development team is very willing to offer their help in that regard, in case it should be necessary.
One exception to the backwards compatibility-rule is, as announced on release, the Nxt add-ons feature (available for developers from Nxt 1.8.0e), as this will “undergo significant refactoring in 2.0”.
Use it to test, play with it, but like Jean Luc writes: “Keep any custom add-on code simple, and be prepared to have to change it for 2.0 or discard it”.
You can follow the Nxt development in nxtforum.org/, and if you’re in doubt about anything, ask the core developers.